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ayesha



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Hello Sir/Madam -

I have question on Jesus and the Trinity. It seems that Christians do not know how to add or worse, they are Polytheist. The Quran clarifing that this is not the truth.
    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs. Sura 4:171

How can a Christian logically and rationally believe that Father, Son and Spirit equal one God?

Thank you,
Ayesha
Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:53 pm
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Salaams Ayesha -

I thank you for you question regarding Jesus and the Trinity. Please note that this topic has been a subject of discussion even while Jesus was walking the earth. I have responded to another seeker about a similar topic so kindly click here to see the response.

In addition, let me explain in some more detail the concept of "Son of God". In Surah 112 and other places in the Quran, the implication is that of a "physical son", one from a "sexual union" as a Son from a wife. This is not meant at all in the Injeel. This is a spiritual Son ship as explained in the above link. Even in Arabic we have concepts like this. For example in many place in the Quran "ibn alssabeel" is translated "traveller" or "wayfarer", but a literal translation would be "Son of the Road" Check out ayah 2:215.
    They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, - God knoweth it well.
The transliterate form of Arabic is here:
    Yas-aloonaka matha yunfiqoona qul ma anfaqtum min khayrin falilwalidayni waal-aqrabeena waalyatama waalmasakeeni waibni alssabeeli wama tafAAaloo min khayrin fa-inna Allaha bihi AAaleemun

Now getting to the topic of the Trinity, please note that the word Trinity is not there in the Arabic Quran. This concept is missing. What you have is "thalatha" which means three. Note the translation of the ayah you have given in Hilali-Khan translation along with the transliterate form of Arabic.
    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is AllSufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

    Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan

Here is another link that I hope clarifies the Trinity. Do understand that followers of Jesus (Isa Al Masih) do not believe in "three" Gods, but one God who has revealed himself in three person - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God in the Bible is not a "simple" God as related by the "Tawhid" concept of Islam, but is a complex concept of one or "Diversity in Unity" - a God of Redemption.

Please do write back if I can be of further assistance.
May the God of Ibrahim, Ishak and Yacub bless you,
Omar.
Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:19 pm
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